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	<title>Comments for Tony Asaro's Blog Bytes</title>
	
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	<description>Tony Asaro, founder and senior consultant of the INI Group, provides his insight into industry issues and trends for IT professionals, with the mission to educate, inform and discuss.</description>
	<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 11:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Onward 2010 by Tony Asaro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Asaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jan 2010 01:31:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well - I certainly didn't take my analysis from your publicly laid out plans but the hundreds of customers that I have been talking to as well as ideas from my small brain based on years of working as an analyst.  But I will take your comments as a compliment.  Happy new year.

Tony</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well - I certainly didn&#8217;t take my analysis from your publicly laid out plans but the hundreds of customers that I have been talking to as well as ideas from my small brain based on years of working as an analyst.  But I will take your comments as a compliment.  Happy new year.</p>
<p>Tony</p>
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		<title>Comment on Onward 2010 by the storage anarchist</title>
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		<dc:creator>the storage anarchist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:29:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(kidding, of course. But there is an uncanny resemblance between your predictions and the vision EMC has publicly laid out - and been delivering upon!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(kidding, of course. But there is an uncanny resemblance between your predictions and the vision EMC has publicly laid out - and been delivering upon!)</p>
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		<title>Comment on Onward 2010 by the storage anarchist</title>
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		<dc:creator>the storage anarchist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Jan 2010 12:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whoa! Wow! WAIT A MINUTE!

Tony - I think you've posted this to the wrong place. What's worse, I think you've violated several NDA's!

Check it out: This is your HDS blog, and you've gone off and posted your summary of EMC's 2010 roadmap!

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whoa! Wow! WAIT A MINUTE!</p>
<p>Tony - I think you&#8217;ve posted this to the wrong place. What&#8217;s worse, I think you&#8217;ve violated several NDA&#8217;s!</p>
<p>Check it out: This is your HDS blog, and you&#8217;ve gone off and posted your summary of EMC&#8217;s 2010 roadmap!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Discussions on Intelligent Tiered Storage by Tony Asaro’s Blog Bytes » Blog Archive » Onward 2010</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Asaro’s Blog Bytes » Blog Archive » Onward 2010</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jan 2010 22:04:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the value of intelligent tiering enough - I write about it in more detail in these two blogs here and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the value of intelligent tiering enough - I write about it in more detail in these two blogs here and [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Discussions on Intelligent Tiered Storage by Tony Asaro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Asaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Dec 2009 01:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>German - great response.  

- Your view of dynamic detection is smart and the "chunk" that will be moved will vary from vendor to vendor.  I predict that HDS will use a 42 MB chunk because that fits well into their architecture.  In this sense - a volume will be spread across different disk drive types with different RAID levels.

- You can still have pools and RAID groups - these things can co-exist.  In fact, you want to do this.  Your Tier 1 could be a RAID 10 with the active parts of the volume residing on it and and your lower tier can be RAID 5 with the in-active parts of the volume stored on it.  The application will be none-the-wiser.

- LUN expansion and contraction is interesting.  This is different than thin provisioning, which a number of storage systems do support today.  It is really the host O/S or file system that will take care of this.  However it is important for the storage system to integrate and be qualified with the host systems.  I agree with the load balancing - the ability to create a pool of resources with a concept in the WAN world - committed information rates - set policies to provide a minimum performance ratio among all requesters but offer extra resources if needed and available.  

- Smart reporting is a must.   Some of the storage system vendors will tell you that they have some or most of what you describe.  But we need to apply what we can do to the physical world to the virtual world.  If we are creating private IT clouds with virtual storage systems - we need to be able to run reports on these virtual systems with depth and insight.  We need visualization and reporting in order to predict, model and analyze.  

Well if we get 20 engineers on it maybe it will only take one year ;)

Thank you for the dialog.

Tony</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>German - great response.  </p>
<p>- Your view of dynamic detection is smart and the &#8220;chunk&#8221; that will be moved will vary from vendor to vendor.  I predict that HDS will use a 42 MB chunk because that fits well into their architecture.  In this sense - a volume will be spread across different disk drive types with different RAID levels.</p>
<p>- You can still have pools and RAID groups - these things can co-exist.  In fact, you want to do this.  Your Tier 1 could be a RAID 10 with the active parts of the volume residing on it and and your lower tier can be RAID 5 with the in-active parts of the volume stored on it.  The application will be none-the-wiser.</p>
<p>- LUN expansion and contraction is interesting.  This is different than thin provisioning, which a number of storage systems do support today.  It is really the host O/S or file system that will take care of this.  However it is important for the storage system to integrate and be qualified with the host systems.  I agree with the load balancing - the ability to create a pool of resources with a concept in the WAN world - committed information rates - set policies to provide a minimum performance ratio among all requesters but offer extra resources if needed and available.  </p>
<p>- Smart reporting is a must.   Some of the storage system vendors will tell you that they have some or most of what you describe.  But we need to apply what we can do to the physical world to the virtual world.  If we are creating private IT clouds with virtual storage systems - we need to be able to run reports on these virtual systems with depth and insight.  We need visualization and reporting in order to predict, model and analyze.  </p>
<p>Well if we get 20 engineers on it maybe it will only take one year <img src='http://blogs.hds.com/tony/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Thank you for the dialog.</p>
<p>Tony</p>
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		<title>Comment on Discussions on Intelligent Tiered Storage by German Grach</title>
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		<dc:creator>German Grach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 18:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's very interesting discussion.  Since it's unpractical to remove notion of lun (just yet) from the way we deal with storage, here is how I see storage being smart and not necessarily just smart tiering but smart in general.

- Dynamic detection of lun's nature (write/read, random/sequential, etc) and block level optimization. That means that some (dormant) data of the lun will actually live in the lower-cost storage while if data actively being used it will be in the higher performance tier. Maybe blocksize of the lun will be also adaptable or even variable on the same lun.
- The notion of Raid Groups is very limiting and will be replaced by something like data pools, which will only be governed by redundancy requirements, for example raid 5, raid 6 or maybe raid 1+0. IT department should make the call on the level of date protection they need and could afford. No matter how smart the storage will become the human should make a call if two simultaneous disks failures is never going to happen in their environment, or maybe they are enjoying dealing with the stress and/or restoring the data, or maybe they just don't like the employer.
- Next, the storage will be able to provide automatic lun expansion and maybe contraction initiated by individual hosts. Of course this will be pretty difficult to implement with the known variety of OS's and even filesystem types within a given OS. However, to me the storage ain't smart until it can do the most tedious and thankless tasks done by storage administrators, reducing possibility of human error and removing complexity of the front end interaction with the storage.  It also should regulate automatically load balancing via intelligent and possibly dynamic port allocation for each host. So if there is a spike in data demand, the storage will use 4 ports instead of 2 for this given host for the period of two hours for example. 
- Smart storage is smart reporting. The storage should provide capacity growth trends and down to the host/lun usage and performance data, especially with the cloud computing/storage direction of the industry, where the same lun might be accessed at the same time by different clustered hosts. Also, what's required are smart tools and bottleneck alanalyzers, which sometimes could pinpoint a slower HBA or busy switch port, or even high cpu load on the host and not necessarily just the storage itself... yeah, right.

I guess I should stop here. This will be enough work for storage design engineers for the next 20 years. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s very interesting discussion.  Since it&#8217;s unpractical to remove notion of lun (just yet) from the way we deal with storage, here is how I see storage being smart and not necessarily just smart tiering but smart in general.</p>
<p>- Dynamic detection of lun&#8217;s nature (write/read, random/sequential, etc) and block level optimization. That means that some (dormant) data of the lun will actually live in the lower-cost storage while if data actively being used it will be in the higher performance tier. Maybe blocksize of the lun will be also adaptable or even variable on the same lun.<br />
- The notion of Raid Groups is very limiting and will be replaced by something like data pools, which will only be governed by redundancy requirements, for example raid 5, raid 6 or maybe raid 1+0. IT department should make the call on the level of date protection they need and could afford. No matter how smart the storage will become the human should make a call if two simultaneous disks failures is never going to happen in their environment, or maybe they are enjoying dealing with the stress and/or restoring the data, or maybe they just don&#8217;t like the employer.<br />
- Next, the storage will be able to provide automatic lun expansion and maybe contraction initiated by individual hosts. Of course this will be pretty difficult to implement with the known variety of OS&#8217;s and even filesystem types within a given OS. However, to me the storage ain&#8217;t smart until it can do the most tedious and thankless tasks done by storage administrators, reducing possibility of human error and removing complexity of the front end interaction with the storage.  It also should regulate automatically load balancing via intelligent and possibly dynamic port allocation for each host. So if there is a spike in data demand, the storage will use 4 ports instead of 2 for this given host for the period of two hours for example.<br />
- Smart storage is smart reporting. The storage should provide capacity growth trends and down to the host/lun usage and performance data, especially with the cloud computing/storage direction of the industry, where the same lun might be accessed at the same time by different clustered hosts. Also, what&#8217;s required are smart tools and bottleneck alanalyzers, which sometimes could pinpoint a slower HBA or busy switch port, or even high cpu load on the host and not necessarily just the storage itself&#8230; yeah, right.</p>
<p>I guess I should stop here. This will be enough work for storage design engineers for the next 20 years. <img src='http://blogs.hds.com/tony/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Dec 2009 14:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Hitachi Data Systems and Jessica Longly - CDW, Hitachi Data Systems. Hitachi Data Systems said: RT @HDScorp New post: Discussions on Intelligent Tiered Storage http://bit.ly/90G1Zm [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Discussions on Intelligent Tiered Storage by Tony Asaro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Asaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 23:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fabio - I am very familiar with Compellent and have written papers on their Data Progression capabilities.  They have been the visionary on this technology.  However, as you know it isn't as simple as that.  These customers have invested heavily in the HDS USP V for a number of reasons and are looking to have this capability provided by them and some of their other current storage vendors.  I believe that we will see a number of storage vendors supporting some level of intelligent tiering - with a more granular level of movement than volumes in 2010.  The size of that "chunk" or page or extent will vary.  And that is a good thing for customers.  

Thanks for the comment.

Tony</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fabio - I am very familiar with Compellent and have written papers on their Data Progression capabilities.  They have been the visionary on this technology.  However, as you know it isn&#8217;t as simple as that.  These customers have invested heavily in the HDS USP V for a number of reasons and are looking to have this capability provided by them and some of their other current storage vendors.  I believe that we will see a number of storage vendors supporting some level of intelligent tiering - with a more granular level of movement than volumes in 2010.  The size of that &#8220;chunk&#8221; or page or extent will vary.  And that is a good thing for customers.  </p>
<p>Thanks for the comment.</p>
<p>Tony</p>
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		<title>Comment on Discussions on Intelligent Tiered Storage by Fabio Rapposelli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fabio Rapposelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice Story, but no block or "chunk" level storage tiering so far from HDS, so the customers involved in the discussion can talk to Compellent and take a look to Data Progression, the most proven automated data tiering solution on the market :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice Story, but no block or &#8220;chunk&#8221; level storage tiering so far from HDS, so the customers involved in the discussion can talk to Compellent and take a look to Data Progression, the most proven automated data tiering solution on the market <img src='http://blogs.hds.com/tony/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>Comment on Storage Cost Control by Tony Asaro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Asaro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 03:48:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gar - I didn't really omit anything - these were the things we discussed at the forum based on what these customers did to lower costs.  There are certainly other ways to reduce cost in the data center.  

As far as the issues you bring up as being important considerations for adoption of new technologies / capabilities - they weren't brought up in this particular meeting.  I agree that all of these things matter - and to some extent they do fit within fear, uncertainty and doubt - which is very real and should be discussed.  

You are spot on - adoption is slow but awareness is being raised.  And yes, there are many companies that have implemented - early adopters and in some cases early mainstream adopters.  The goal of this blog entry was to share insights from this forum with some heavy duty storage customers.  

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gar - I didn&#8217;t really omit anything - these were the things we discussed at the forum based on what these customers did to lower costs.  There are certainly other ways to reduce cost in the data center.  </p>
<p>As far as the issues you bring up as being important considerations for adoption of new technologies / capabilities - they weren&#8217;t brought up in this particular meeting.  I agree that all of these things matter - and to some extent they do fit within fear, uncertainty and doubt - which is very real and should be discussed.  </p>
<p>You are spot on - adoption is slow but awareness is being raised.  And yes, there are many companies that have implemented - early adopters and in some cases early mainstream adopters.  The goal of this blog entry was to share insights from this forum with some heavy duty storage customers.  </p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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