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		<title>Comment on Top 4 things to really impact costs in 2009 - Part 2 by David Merrill’s Blog » Blog Archive » Finding first, then living off your (storage) body fat</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Merrill’s Blog » Blog Archive » Finding first, then living off your (storage) body fat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] buying storage; and an entry on physical reduction, which is different from reclamation. Then a stand-alone entry on basic disk reclamation; and one from the Storage [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Squeezing (easily) into those tight jeans by David Merrill’s Blog » Blog Archive » Finding first, then living off your (storage) body fat</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Merrill’s Blog » Blog Archive » Finding first, then living off your (storage) body fat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 23:05:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is not a new topic on my blog – there is an old blog entry on stop buying storage; and an entry on physical reduction, which is different from reclamation. Then a stand-alone entry on basic disk reclamation; and one [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is not a new topic on my blog – there is an old blog entry on stop buying storage; and an entry on physical reduction, which is different from reclamation. Then a stand-alone entry on basic disk reclamation; and one [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Stop buying Storage? by David Merrill’s Blog » Blog Archive » Finding first, then living off your (storage) body fat</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Merrill’s Blog » Blog Archive » Finding first, then living off your (storage) body fat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 12:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is not a new topic on my blog – there is an old blog entry on stop buying storage; and an entry on physical reduction, which is different from reclamation. [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on DAS Economics Part 2  - Total Cost of Acquisition by david merrill</title>
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		<dc:creator>david merrill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 23:02:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To the Captain, yes all these situations are helping with a revisit to the DAS world. When applications (or vendors who write the applications) want to build a fit-for-purpose cloud, then they can take on some of the storage functions within the apps. But not all IT is ready for this type of wide-spread transformations. 

The other situation of a LOB wanting to get local cheap disk has been around for a decade, ever since SANs and pooled storage started popping up. Once you tell them that the local DAS has to be backed-up, DR protected, encrypted, end-of-life migration, optimized, secured, and protected for long-term discovery, they soon get the message and let you grow the pool again. Some don't learn, then they find out how hard some basic functions can be with localized disk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the Captain, yes all these situations are helping with a revisit to the DAS world. When applications (or vendors who write the applications) want to build a fit-for-purpose cloud, then they can take on some of the storage functions within the apps. But not all IT is ready for this type of wide-spread transformations. </p>
<p>The other situation of a LOB wanting to get local cheap disk has been around for a decade, ever since SANs and pooled storage started popping up. Once you tell them that the local DAS has to be backed-up, DR protected, encrypted, end-of-life migration, optimized, secured, and protected for long-term discovery, they soon get the message and let you grow the pool again. Some don&#8217;t learn, then they find out how hard some basic functions can be with localized disk.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The non-measurable metric by david merrill</title>
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		<dc:creator>david merrill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 22:58:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are right, but not all things are equal or stay equal. Economic metrics or econometrics have to consider constant changes in technology, performances etc. 

As you mention, the $/usable SAN port can get skewed very quickly when you include all the cabling, patch panels, ISL ports etc. Lets don't let that metric turn people off from SANs all together.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right, but not all things are equal or stay equal. Economic metrics or econometrics have to consider constant changes in technology, performances etc. </p>
<p>As you mention, the $/usable SAN port can get skewed very quickly when you include all the cabling, patch panels, ISL ports etc. Lets don&#8217;t let that metric turn people off from SANs all together.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Voodoo Economics by Maintenance Madness – Gestalt IT</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maintenance Madness – Gestalt IT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:33:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] sense; I find myself nodding in agreement with much of what he posts. His latest couple of entries here and here had me nodding in agreement; it’s not just the vendors who are guilty of some [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] sense; I find myself nodding in agreement with much of what he posts. His latest couple of entries here and here had me nodding in agreement; it&#8217;s not just the vendors who are guilty of some [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Squeezing (easily) into those tight jeans by Economic Realities – Gestalt IT</title>
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		<dc:creator>Economic Realities – Gestalt IT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 12:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] found David Merrill’s blog entry here on Squeezing (Easily) into Tight Jeans amusing. David is talking about a couple of his customers who were using various capabilities to [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] found David Merrill&#8217;s blog entry here on Squeezing (Easily) into Tight Jeans amusing. David is talking about a couple of his customers who were using various capabilities to [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on The non-measurable metric by The Captain</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Captain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 05:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not to mention that some ports may be single mode long wave ($$$), others may be 10 Gb used for replication or 2 GB used for a tape drive.  I always account for the price per N-Port to bring us to a level playing field.  For instance if I deployed qty (10) - 100 port directors in a core - edge topology.  Assume 2 are core and 8 are edge.  I need to have any to any core to edge connectivity, thus I will run 4 ISLs from each core to each edge. Each core director will have a 32 port burn rate and each edge director will loose 8 ports.  

What about intelligent cards in a director for some fabric service (encryption, compression, CDP, CRR, etc)?  These intelligent cards are quite expensive and have no usable ports for all effective purposes.  Yet when dealing with a customer's procurement analyst in an RFx scenario, they don't want to hear the techno jargon.  They want price / # ports.  

I won't even get into patch panels and trunks, but I'll say this.  I've customers buy $2M worth of directors and spent $3.4M cabling them up.

This is exactly why economists like to use the phrase "ceteris paribus".....I wish it were more widely accepted in IT disciplines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not to mention that some ports may be single mode long wave ($$$), others may be 10 Gb used for replication or 2 GB used for a tape drive.  I always account for the price per N-Port to bring us to a level playing field.  For instance if I deployed qty (10) - 100 port directors in a core - edge topology.  Assume 2 are core and 8 are edge.  I need to have any to any core to edge connectivity, thus I will run 4 ISLs from each core to each edge. Each core director will have a 32 port burn rate and each edge director will loose 8 ports.  </p>
<p>What about intelligent cards in a director for some fabric service (encryption, compression, CDP, CRR, etc)?  These intelligent cards are quite expensive and have no usable ports for all effective purposes.  Yet when dealing with a customer&#8217;s procurement analyst in an RFx scenario, they don&#8217;t want to hear the techno jargon.  They want price / # ports.  </p>
<p>I won&#8217;t even get into patch panels and trunks, but I&#8217;ll say this.  I&#8217;ve customers buy $2M worth of directors and spent $3.4M cabling them up.</p>
<p>This is exactly why economists like to use the phrase &#8220;ceteris paribus&#8221;&#8230;..I wish it were more widely accepted in IT disciplines.</p>
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		<title>Comment on DAS Economics Part 2  - Total Cost of Acquisition by The Captain</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Captain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 04:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post David, I enjoyed reading .  I'm interested on your take as to why there's a resurgence in DAS, not so much in a cloud configuration (Thumper, Atmos, etc) but in a tier 1 fibre channel environment.  Is it demand pull from LOB's, SA's, DBA's, etc that just don't want to put up with "Those Storage Guys"?  Or is it supply push from application vendors who can't or don't want to be responsible for performance issues in a shared storage configuration.

I understand the large BI, analytic solutions that are sold as an all inclusive "An appliance" like Teradata, Nettezza, Datalegro,etc but Microsoft is now pushing DAS for not only Exchange but SQL in some cases too.

In Microsoft's case I think it's a tactical move such that capabilities that are typically provided by enterprise storage (local and remote replication for instance) are now being provided by their application.  And or it's another way to shield a thick resource hungry application (dedicated spindles = no neighbors).  And finally they are scared to death that Exchange running as a VM is gaining in popularity. This way they finally box out VM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post David, I enjoyed reading .  I&#8217;m interested on your take as to why there&#8217;s a resurgence in DAS, not so much in a cloud configuration (Thumper, Atmos, etc) but in a tier 1 fibre channel environment.  Is it demand pull from LOB&#8217;s, SA&#8217;s, DBA&#8217;s, etc that just don&#8217;t want to put up with &#8220;Those Storage Guys&#8221;?  Or is it supply push from application vendors who can&#8217;t or don&#8217;t want to be responsible for performance issues in a shared storage configuration.</p>
<p>I understand the large BI, analytic solutions that are sold as an all inclusive &#8220;An appliance&#8221; like Teradata, Nettezza, Datalegro,etc but Microsoft is now pushing DAS for not only Exchange but SQL in some cases too.</p>
<p>In Microsoft&#8217;s case I think it&#8217;s a tactical move such that capabilities that are typically provided by enterprise storage (local and remote replication for instance) are now being provided by their application.  And or it&#8217;s another way to shield a thick resource hungry application (dedicated spindles = no neighbors).  And finally they are scared to death that Exchange running as a VM is gaining in popularity. This way they finally box out VM.</p>
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		<title>Comment on DAS Economics Part 2  - Total Cost of Acquisition by David Merrill</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Merrill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another IDC source, claiming that purchase cost is 1/7 the total cost of ownership

IGG-09172003-01     C. Stanley    17 Sept 2003</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another IDC source, claiming that purchase cost is 1/7 the total cost of ownership</p>
<p>IGG-09172003-01     C. Stanley    17 Sept 2003</p>
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